downstream UPC

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mike123

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Nov 26^th, 2009 at 9:03am

Hi all,

iDirect's Uplink Control Process (UCP) can adjust changing weather attenuation through power adjustment on the upstream. However on downstream there is no such feature available.
I heard that usually an external UPC is used to compensate rain fade at the HUB's TX path.
Does anyone know how that works in detail? What hardware is used? I assume it is a done via an adjustable attenuator, but cannot find any details on the internet?

Can somebody point me into the right direction?

Thanks a lot, Mike.

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Reply #1 - Nov 26^th, 2009 at 11:52am

One (simplified) way to do uplink power control at the hub on the outlink downstream carrier:

You need a beacon receiver to measure the downlink path loss.
Compare with nominal and multiply by a numerical factor related to the downlink versus uplink frequency attenuations.
Apply the result to a variable attenuator in the uplink transmit path.

It sounds easy but is actually difficult and needs to be done with great caution and strict limits. There are considerable problems with calibration, tracking, equipment and cable gain drift with temperature, fast scintillation, step changes due to poor connectors, interference, sun noise, faults etc. Under no circumstances do you want the clear sky uplink power increasing spontaneously by 10dB due to some software interaction with an anomaly condition and overloading the satellite transponder.

Check with the satellite owner for rules that you must comply with regarding UPPC operation.

For equipment read here �Miteq UPPC D-218 as a typical example.

Best regards, Eric.

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mike123 Member ★★ Offline Posts: 3	Reply #2 - Nov 26^th, 2009 at 12:28pm Thank's for the fast and comprehensive input, Eric.
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Ex Member Ex Member	Reply #3 - Nov 26^th, 2009 at 1:15pm Agree w/ Eric. UPC for the outbound (most larger earth stations/terminals are equipped with them).
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Agor Member ★★ Offline Posts: 48	Reply #4 - Nov 27^th, 2009 at 7:39pm Adding DVB-S2 ACM is even better, as it takes care for the remote terminal's reception in rain conditions, etc.
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Reply #5 - Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 9:58pm

Using the ACM capability on iDirect is a great feature, but I think it's important to keep the two as separate concerns.
the UPC on the hub should be controlled separately from the ACM feature. If you use the ACM to compensate for all hub side fade, then given a scenario of a severe fade hub side, all remotes would end up using the worst MODCOD (modulation and coding) this would be very inefficient.
If you implement the correct hub power control using external devices, you maintain the benefits of ACM by having it relate to individual remotes receive performance rather than the hub Tx performance. ACM was not designed to compensate for lack of UPC at a hub location.
Although a solution of sorts, I think it would be far more beneficial and efficient to utilize the correct UPC hub side.
Just my 2 cents.

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Agor Member ★★ Offline Posts: 48	Reply #6 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 2:01pm I agree. I suggested to add ACM, not to use ACM instead of UPC. BR, Agor
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